{"id":89312,"date":"2024-01-25T12:01:09","date_gmt":"2024-01-25T11:01:09","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/?p=89312"},"modified":"2026-03-11T17:07:39","modified_gmt":"2026-03-11T16:07:39","slug":"pengepodden-bitcoin-duell-robert-naess-vs-torbjorn-bull-jensen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/pengepodden-bitcoin-duell-robert-naess-vs-torbjorn-bull-jensen\/","title":{"rendered":"#pengepodden &#8211; Bitcoin-duell: Robert N\u00e6ss vs. Torbj\u00f8rn Bull Jensen"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"#pengepodden - Bitcoin-duell: Robert N\u00e6ss vs. Torbj\u00f8rn Bull Jensen\" width=\"770\" height=\"433\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ToyzDb-k3G4?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I denne #pengepodden-episoden har Bj\u00f8rn Erik arrangert en duell mellom en kjent kryptoentusiast og en kjent kryptoskeptiker. F\u00f8rstnevnte er Torbj\u00f8rn Bull Jensen er CEO i Arcario og K33. Skeptikeren er Robert N\u00e6ss, investeringsdirekt\u00f8r i Nordea.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe title='Embed Player' width='100%' height='188px' src='https:\/\/embed.acast.com\/61653f7433ffb500132c0775\/65b144ea0edad800169db078' scrolling='no' frameborder='0' style='border:none;overflow:hidden;'><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"torbjorn-sine-fem-grunner-til-at-bitcoin-er-kommet-for-a-bli\">Torbj\u00f8rn sine fem grunner til at Bitcoin er kommet for \u00e5 bli<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\" start=\"1\">\n<li>Bitcoin kan p\u00e5 sikt erstatte dollar som foretrukket valuta internasjonalt.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Gjeldsoverhenget i USA og andre vestlige land tvinger frem betydelig inflasjon og gj\u00f8r likvide ikke-inflatoriske eiendeler som bitcoin mer ettertraktet.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Bitcoin er i kontinuerlig videreutvikling og momentet er st\u00f8rre enn noen gang tidligere.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Den yngre garde har omfavnet Bitcoin og kryptovaluta og skal etterhvert inn i ledene stillinger i samfunnet.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Bitcoin er ukorrelert med andre aktiva over tid og kommer n\u00e5 til \u00e5 dyttes inn av BlackRock og co. i brede portef\u00f8ljer.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"robert-sine-fem-grunner-for-det-motsatte\">Robert sine fem grunner for det motsatte<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<ol class=\"wp-block-list\" start=\"1\">\n<li>Bitcoin har ingen fundamentale verdidrivere.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Bitcoin har et betydelig klimaavtrykk.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Bitcoin er en dyr og ineffektiv m\u00e5te \u00e5 overf\u00f8re penger p\u00e5.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Systemene som trengs for \u00e5 kunne bruke Bitcoin til betaling (Lightning Network) er usikre.<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Bitcoin kan fasilitere kriminalitet og kan dermed risikere \u00e5 bli regulert vekk.<\/li>\n<\/ol>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/473_bloggbilde-1024x576.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-89313\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/473_bloggbilde-1024x576.png 1024w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/473_bloggbilde-620x349.png 620w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/473_bloggbilde-150x84.png 150w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/473_bloggbilde-768x432.png 768w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/473_bloggbilde-1536x864.png 1536w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/473_bloggbilde-500x281.png 500w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/473_bloggbilde-800x450.png 800w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/473_bloggbilde-1280x720.png 1280w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/473_bloggbilde-370x208.png 370w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/473_bloggbilde-270x152.png 270w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/473_bloggbilde-570x321.png 570w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/473_bloggbilde-740x416.png 740w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2024\/01\/473_bloggbilde.png 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Debattantene diskuterer seg gjennom de 10 punktene, og kommer med sine motforestillinger.Spesielt punktet om at Bitcoin mangler fundamentale verdidrivere bruker de tid p\u00e5.Bitcoin har ikke har noen underliggende verdier eller inntjeningspotensial eller kontantstr\u00f8m, slik som aksjer eller obligasjoner. Dette gj\u00f8r det utfordrende \u00e5 evaluere prisen og verdsettelsen av Bitcoin p\u00e5 tradisjonelle m\u00e5ter, hevder Robert.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Torbj\u00f8rn sammenligner Bitcoin med gull, og omtaler det som \u00abdigitalt gull\u00bb. Han mener Bitcoin b\u00e5de er en valuta og en aktivaklasse, og at adopsjonen og ettersp\u00f8rselen vil f\u00f8re til verdistigning ogs\u00e5 de neste \u00e5rene \u2013 dog med store svingninger.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"velge-bitcoin-eller-en-annen-kryptovaluta\">Velge Bitcoin eller en annen kryptovaluta?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Bj\u00f8rn Erik forteller at han selv har investert 1-2 % av sin finansformue i krypto, fordelt p\u00e5 Bitcoin og Ethereum. Det er et spekulativt veddem\u00e5l p\u00e5 at folk som Torbj\u00f8rn f\u00e5r rett.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hvis man har tro p\u00e5 krypto-storyen og \u00f8nsker \u00e5 investereen liten andel av sparepengene i krypto, hvilken kryptovaluta skal man velge?Er det s\u00e5 sikkert at Bitcoin er \u00abgullstandarden\u00bb og den foretrukne kryptovalutaen de neste 5-10-15 \u00e5rene? Hva med Ethereum eller en annen kryptovaluta? H\u00f8r hva Torbj\u00f8rn og Robert svarer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/feeds.acast.com\/public\/shows\/61653f7433ffb500132c0775\" rel=\"noopener\">Abonner via RSS<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/shows.acast.com\/61653f7433ffb500132c0775\" rel=\"noopener\">Abonner via Acast<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/no\/podcast\/pengepodden\/id1001063872\" rel=\"noopener\">Abonner via iTunes<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0mXSVGfhkKBxYTj638hjoj\" rel=\"noopener\">Abonner via Spotify<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I denne #pengepodden-episoden har Bj\u00f8rn Erik arrangert en duell mellom en kjent kryptoentusiast og en kjent kryptoskeptiker. F\u00f8rstnevnte er Torbj\u00f8rn Bull Jensen er CEO i Arcario og K33. Skeptikeren er Robert N\u00e6ss, investeringsdirekt\u00f8r i Nordea. Torbj\u00f8rn sine fem grunner til at Bitcoin er kommet for \u00e5 bli Robert sine fem grunner for det motsatte Debattantene 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