{"id":87922,"date":"2023-11-23T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2023-11-23T11:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/?p=87922"},"modified":"2026-03-11T17:07:39","modified_gmt":"2026-03-11T16:07:39","slug":"pengepodden-rune-bjerke-om-finanskrisen-og-konkurransen-i-finansbransjen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/pengepodden-rune-bjerke-om-finanskrisen-og-konkurransen-i-finansbransjen\/","title":{"rendered":"#pengepodden &#8211; Rune Bjerke om finanskrisen og konkurransen i finansbransjen"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I denne #pengepodden-episoden har Bj\u00f8rn Erik bes\u00f8k av Rune Bjerke, tidligere konsernsjef i DNB. Tema er hvordan Rune\u00a0opplevde finanskrisen som sjef for Norges st\u00f8rste bank, hvordan han ser p\u00e5 konkurransebildet i norsk finansbransje, samt hans refleksjoner fra en lang karriere p\u00e5 toppen i norsk n\u00e6ringsliv.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe title='Embed Player' width='100%' height='188px' src='https:\/\/embed.acast.com\/61653f7433ffb500132c0775\/655e05868769490012543136' scrolling='no' frameborder='0' style='border:none;overflow:hidden;'><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rune startet arbeidskarrieren i politikken, blant annet som partisekret\u00e6r i Oslo Arbeiderparti og finansbyr\u00e5d i Oslo kommune. Deretter gikk han over til privat n\u00f8ringsliv, og tok etter hvert over jobben som konsernsjef i DNB.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Erfaringer fra finanskrisen<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 18:13) Rune begynte i DNB 2007. Da hadde DNB vokst tosifret de 10 foreg\u00e5ende \u00e5rene. Rune fikk finanskrisen rett i fanget som fersk konsernsjef i DNB. H\u00f8r hvordan han opplevde finanskrisen.\u00a0<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>DNB-aksjen falt fra over 80 kroner i 2007-08 til s\u00e5vidt under 20 kroner p\u00e5 det laveste i begynnelsen av 2009, et kursfall p\u00e5 75 %. Oslo B\u00f8rs indeksen falt 50-60 % i samme periode. Det var vel veldig dramatisk, sp\u00f8r Bj\u00f8rn Erik.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Rune forteller om de mest hektiske dagene h\u00f8sten 2008, om \u201dgullkortet&#8221;, som var en bytteordning hvor sikre boligl\u00e5n ble byttet mot statspapirer, som kunne brukes som sikkerhet. Dette sikret likviditet i markedet, og bidro til \u00e5 f\u00e5 landet ut av krisen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hva tror du vil utl\u00f8se neste globale b\u00f8rskrakk, sp\u00f8r Bj\u00f8rn Erik. Risiko for feil og misbruk av teknologi og digitale systemer er en betydelig risiko, stort globalt cyber-angrep o.l. svarer Rune.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/464_bloggbilde-1024x576.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-87923\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/464_bloggbilde-1024x576.png 1024w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/464_bloggbilde-620x349.png 620w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/464_bloggbilde-150x84.png 150w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/464_bloggbilde-768x432.png 768w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/464_bloggbilde-1536x864.png 1536w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/464_bloggbilde-500x281.png 500w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/464_bloggbilde-800x450.png 800w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/464_bloggbilde-1280x720.png 1280w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/464_bloggbilde-370x208.png 370w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/464_bloggbilde-270x152.png 270w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/464_bloggbilde-570x321.png 570w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/464_bloggbilde-740x416.png 740w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/11\/464_bloggbilde.png 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Konkurransebildet i norsk finansbransje<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Selv om det er 120 banker i Norge tjener nesten alle bankene meget gode penger for tiden. Er konkurransen for lav, sp\u00f8r Bj\u00f8rn Erik.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nei, svarer Rune. Det er alltid slik at bankenes inntjening \u00f8ker i perioder med renteoppgang, og vice versa. Hvis man ser p\u00e5 gjennomsnittlig avkastning p\u00e5 egenkapitalen i norske banker er den p\u00e5 normale niv\u00e5er. Vi skal ogs\u00e5 v\u00e6re glad for at bankene v\u00e5re er solide \u2013 da t\u00e5ler de kriser bedre.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>B\u00f8r bankene frykte for internasjonale konkurrenter somApple Pay, Apple\/Goldman, Meta\/Facebook Pay etc? Ja, er svaret. Rune mener at Apple Pay er et stor konkurrent, og er ikke forn\u00f8yd med at Apple ikke tillater Vipps og andre mobilbank-lommeb\u00f8ker ikke f\u00e5r tilgang til NFC-chipen p\u00e5 iPhonen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hvem b\u00f8r Nordnet se opp for, sp\u00f8r Bj\u00f8rn Erik. Du b\u00f8r alltid se opp for nye konkurrenter, b\u00e5de kjente og ukjente, svarer Rune. Se spesielt opp for de store globale \u00f8ko-akt\u00f8rene som Facebook, Google og Apple, som kan inng\u00e5 avtaler med finansielle akt\u00f8rer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Ledelse, kultur og innovasjon<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 28:19) Rune er meget opptatt av god ledelse og det \u00e5 skape en god kultur. H\u00f8r hva han legger i dette.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Unders\u00f8kelser viser at kun en liten andel av de ansatte i en gjennomsnittsbedrift i Norge er aktivt engasjert i bedriften, og entusiastiske for jobben sin. H\u00f8r hvordan Rune mener at ledelsen kan \u00f8ke engasjementet og entusiasmen i en bedrift.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Er det noe du angrer p\u00e5 i dine 13 \u00e5r i DNB, sp\u00f8r Bj\u00f8rn Erik. Rune forteller at de store nedbemanningsprosessene i 2014 og 2015, hvor flere tusen ansatte m\u00e5tte slutte, var tunge. Da burde DNB-ledelsen brukt mer tid p\u00e5 omskolering og utvikling av egne ansatte, og dermed sagt opp f\u00e6rre. Den gangen visste man heller ikke hvor stor vekst man fikk innenfor compliance, hvitvasking og lignende. Antall ansatte i DNB er om lag like mange i dag som for 5-10 \u00e5r siden, rundt 10.000.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Til slutt sp\u00f8r Bj\u00f8rn Erik om\u00a0Runes syn\u00a0p\u00e5 norsk \u00f8konomi og n\u00e6ringslivspolitikk. H\u00f8r hva han svarer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/feeds.acast.com\/public\/shows\/61653f7433ffb500132c0775\" rel=\"noopener\">Abonner via RSS<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/shows.acast.com\/61653f7433ffb500132c0775\" rel=\"noopener\">Abonner via Acast<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/no\/podcast\/pengepodden\/id1001063872\" rel=\"noopener\">Abonner via iTunes<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0mXSVGfhkKBxYTj638hjoj\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I denne #pengepodden-episoden har Bj\u00f8rn Erik bes\u00f8k av Rune Bjerke, tidligere konsernsjef i DNB. Tema er hvordan Rune\u00a0opplevde finanskrisen som sjef for Norges st\u00f8rste bank, hvordan han ser p\u00e5 konkurransebildet i norsk finansbransje, samt hans refleksjoner fra en lang karriere p\u00e5 toppen i norsk n\u00e6ringsliv. 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