{"id":86196,"date":"2023-08-31T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2023-08-31T10:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/?p=86196"},"modified":"2026-03-11T17:08:01","modified_gmt":"2026-03-11T16:08:01","slug":"pengepodden-orakelet-jon-gunnar-pedersen-om-oljefondet-og-fremtiden","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/pengepodden-orakelet-jon-gunnar-pedersen-om-oljefondet-og-fremtiden\/","title":{"rendered":"#pengepodden &#8211; \u00abOrakelet\u00bb Jon Gunnar Pedersen om oljefondet og fremtiden"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I denne #pengepodden-episoden har Bj\u00f8rn Erik bes\u00f8k av Jon Gunnar Pedersen, direkt\u00f8r i Arctic Securities. Jon Gunnar er av Kjell Inge R\u00f8kke blitt kalt en \u00abbauta\u00bb og \u00aben usannsynlig intelligent og reflektert sjel\u00bb. Tema er langsiktige perspektiver, geopolitikk og rammebetingelser som vil p\u00e5virke alle som sparer og investerer \u2013 b\u00e5de private investorer og institusjonelle investorer som oljefondet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe title='Embed Player' width='100%' height='188px' src='https:\/\/embed.acast.com\/61653f7433ffb500132c0775\/64ef25fd7a1a38001188f923' scrolling='no' frameborder='0' style='border:none;overflow:hidden;'><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a>Jon Gunnar satt i det s\u00e5kalte Sverdrup-utvalget, som i fjor overleverte<\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.regjeringen.no\/no\/dokumenter\/nou-2022-12\/id2928618\/\" rel=\"noopener\">\u00a0NAU-rapporten med tittelen \u00abFondet i en brytningstid \u2014 Statens pensjonsfond utland og endrede \u00f8konomiske og politiske utviklingstrekk\u00bb.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I innledningen snakker de litt om historien til oljefondet, som i dag utgj\u00f8r ca 15.000 milliarder kroner \u2013 over 2,5 millioner kroner per nordmann.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bj\u00f8rn Erik lister opp tre\u00a0hovedutfordringer for fondet p\u00e5 lang sikt, som diskuteres videre: Internasjonalt samarbeid\/ globalisering, Klima- og milj\u00f8utfordringer samt Krig og energikrise.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Internasjonalt samarbeid, geopolitikk og globalisering i revers<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 12:18) Norge og verden har nytt godt av \u00f8kt internasjonalt samarbeid, handel og globalisering i flere ti\u00e5r. Dette la grunnlaget for et sterkt \u00f8konomisk oppsving kombinert med lav inflasjon. N\u00e5 er dette i ferd med \u00e5 g\u00e5 i motsatt retning.\u00a0Konfliktniv\u00e5et i internasjonal politikk er \u00f8kende. Vi opplever mer proteksjonisme. Den politiske rivaliseringen, spesielt mellom USA og Kina, er \u00f8kende.\u00a0H\u00f8r Jon Gunnars betraktninger rundt dette.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Klima- og milj\u00f8utfordringer<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 25:06) Klimagassutslipp har fortsatt \u00e5 \u00f8ke og biologisk mangfold er kraftig redusert. Klimaendringene har allerede stor direkte betydning for global \u00f8konomi og samfunn. Vi st\u00e5r foran en betydelig omstilling fra fossile energikilder til fornybare. Hvordan skal oljefondet og private sparere og investorer ta hensyn til klimarisiko n\u00e5r de gj\u00f8r langsiktige investeringer, sp\u00f8r Bj\u00f8rn Erik.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"576\" src=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/452_bloggbilde-1024x576.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-86197\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/452_bloggbilde-1024x576.png 1024w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/452_bloggbilde-620x349.png 620w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/452_bloggbilde-150x84.png 150w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/452_bloggbilde-768x432.png 768w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/452_bloggbilde-1536x864.png 1536w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/452_bloggbilde-500x281.png 500w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/452_bloggbilde-800x450.png 800w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/452_bloggbilde-1280x720.png 1280w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/452_bloggbilde-370x208.png 370w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/452_bloggbilde-270x152.png 270w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/452_bloggbilde-570x321.png 570w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/452_bloggbilde-740x416.png 740w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2023\/08\/452_bloggbilde.png 1920w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Krig og energikrise<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 31:36) I Europa er det krig og energikrise.\u00a0Russlands invasjon av Ukraina inneb\u00e6rer et dramatisk og brutalt brudd med etterkrigstidens internasjonale orden og medf\u00f8rer en akutt og dyptgripende krise b\u00e5de for Europa og det internasjonale systemet, st\u00e5r det i rapporten. Hvordan b\u00f8r man se p\u00e5 krig og energikrise med investor-\u00f8yne?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Avkastningsforventninger fremover<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 36:04) Fondets avkastning har v\u00e6rt god siden oppstart. Fra etableringen i 1998 og frem til f\u00f8rste halv\u00e5r 2023 har fondet hatt en \u00e5rlig nominell avkastning p\u00e5 5,99 prosent. Realavkastningen har v\u00e6rt p\u00e5 3,72 prosent. Den gode avkastningen tilskrives blant annet gunstig utvikling i verdens\u00f8konomien med h\u00f8ye selskapsoverskudd, samt en lang periode med fallende renteniv\u00e5.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Vi ser i dag at mange av utviklingstrekkene som var s\u00e6rlig gunstige for oljefondet kan v\u00e6re i ferd med \u00e5 reverseres. Dette vil f\u00e5 konsekvenser for \u00f8konomisk vekst og fondsavkastning, st\u00e5r det i rapporten. Dette indikerer at vi m\u00e5 forvente lavere avkastning fra oljefondet \u2013 og fra v\u00e5re egne private sparepenger \u2013 de neste ti\u00e5rene, sp\u00f8r Bj\u00f8rn Erik.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Mulige endringer i investeringsstrategien til NBIM<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 46:56) Investeringsstrategien i oljefondet har endret seg underveis. Aksjeandelen har g\u00e5tt fra null ved oppstarten av fondet i 1996 til 20 til 40 til 60 til 70 prosent, som ble besluttet i 2017. NBIM har innf\u00f8rt nye krav for ekskludering, nye krav for \u00e5 ta klimahensyn, etc..<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hvilke andre endringer kan v\u00e6re fornuftig? B\u00f8r aksjeandelen v\u00f8re h\u00f8yere eller lavere enn 70 prosent? B\u00f8r fondet f\u00e5 lov til \u00e5 investere i PE \/ ikke b\u00f8rsnoterte selskaper? Er det et problem at\u00a0enkelte myndigheter og investorer tror at oljefondet er et politisk verkt\u00f8y, er sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l som diskuteres.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bj\u00f8rn Erik synes denne rapporten i stor grad er dyster lesning. Mange trusler, f\u00e5 muligheter og f\u00e5 optimistiske prognoser. Hvor er lyspunktene i rapporten, sp\u00f8r Bj\u00f8rn Erik. Jon Gunnar parerer med at Norge har ressurser til \u00e5 takle de fleste utfordringer, at Norge fremdeles har en sterk posisjon innenfor energiproduksjon (b\u00e5de fossil og fornybar), ny teknologi (AI) som kan \u00f8ke produktivitet og \u00f8konomisk vekst samt at helse og omsorgssektoren vil vokse mye.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/feeds.acast.com\/public\/shows\/61653f7433ffb500132c0775\" rel=\"noopener\">Abonner via RSS<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/shows.acast.com\/61653f7433ffb500132c0775\" rel=\"noopener\">Abonner via Acast<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/no\/podcast\/pengepodden\/id1001063872\" rel=\"noopener\">Abonner via iTunes<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0mXSVGfhkKBxYTj638hjoj\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I denne #pengepodden-episoden har Bj\u00f8rn Erik bes\u00f8k av Jon Gunnar Pedersen, direkt\u00f8r i Arctic Securities. 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