{"id":84279,"date":"2023-05-25T12:00:00","date_gmt":"2023-05-25T10:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/?p=84279"},"modified":"2026-03-11T17:08:19","modified_gmt":"2026-03-11T16:08:19","slug":"pengepodden-ai-vil-endre-verden-med-dnb-teknologi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/pengepodden-ai-vil-endre-verden-med-dnb-teknologi\/","title":{"rendered":"#pengepodden &#8211; &#8220;AI vil endre verden&#8221; med DNB Teknologi"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I denne #pengepodden-episoden har Bj\u00f8rn Erik f\u00e5tt bes\u00f8k av to av de fire forvalterne bak suksessfondet DNB Teknologi, Sverre Bergland (software og internett) og\u00a0Erling Thune (telecom og media). Anders Tandberg og\u00a0Erling Haugan Kise var ikke med i samtalen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe title='Embed Player' width='100%' height='188px' src='https:\/\/embed.acast.com\/61653f7433ffb500132c0775\/646e0682b0968900111c41e9' scrolling='no' frameborder='0' style='border:none;overflow:hidden;'><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Temaet er om\u00a0ti\u00e5rene med meravkastning i teknologisektoren er over, samt hvordan kunstig intelligens vil p\u00e5virke teknologisektoren og verdens\u00f8konomien.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Nordnets kunder har elsket teknologifond i mange \u00e5r, noe de har f\u00e5tt godt betalt for. Det nest mest eide fondet blant v\u00e5re kunder er DNB Teknologi, med 2,5 mrd i forvaltningskapital, kun forbig\u00e5tt av Nordnet Indeksfond Global ESG, forteller Bj\u00f8rn Erik.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sverre drar gjennom utviklingen i teknologiaksjer siden starten av coronaperioden. Det har v\u00e6rt en turbulent periode, og forvalterne har v\u00e6rt forsiktige og defensive i sine aksjevalg.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bj\u00f8rn Erik p\u00e5peker at DNB Teknologi ikke har greid \u00e5 sl\u00e5 referanseindeksen som Morningstar har valgt, MSCI World Technology, hverken p\u00e5 kort (1 \u00e5r) eller lang sikt (10 \u00e5r). Erling forteller at fondet har valgt en annen referanseindeks, som inkluderer en andel kommunikasjon\/telecom og media, som har gjort det svakere enn MSCI World Technology-indeksen. Fondet har 5 av 5 stjerner i Morningstar.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Investeringsstrategi<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 15:45) Erling forteller at investeringsstrategien er bygget p\u00e5 fire pilarer: Tematiske trender, verdiskapning, momentum i inntjening og verdivurdering.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Amerikanske selskaper dominerer verdens b\u00f8rser, spesielt innenfor teknologisektoren. 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De mener fremdeles Apple er overpriset, og har lav vekst.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bj\u00f8rn Erik sp\u00f8r om utsikter fremover. Det har aldri v\u00e6rt mer spennende \u00e5 jobbe med tek-aksjer, svarer Erling, og viser til alt det spennende som skjer innenfor AI. AI vil drive produktivitetsforbedringer fremover. Tek-aksjer er ikke spesielt dyre, men vi ser en h\u00f8y konsentrasjon (h\u00f8y verdsettelse) blant de st\u00f8rste tek-aksjene, p\u00e5peker forvalterne.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Utbredelsen av AI<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 40:00) De ellers s\u00e5 sindige DNB-forvalterne er mektig imponert over ChatGPT og bruksomr\u00e5dene for AI generelt. Det er utrolig spennende tider n\u00e5, og vi tror AI vil endre verden. AI er ikke en hype, p\u00e5peker Erling.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Erling er en superbruker av ChatGPT. H\u00f8r hvordan han bruker verkt\u00f8yet for \u00e5 bli mer effektiv og dyktig i arbeidshverdagen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hvilke selskaper tror dere blir vinnerne i AI racet, sp\u00f8r Bj\u00f8rn Erik. Nvidia og AMD, som lager chiper\/grafikkort til de kraftige maskinene som brukes til AI, nevnes. Microsoft likes\u00e5, som jobber med \u00e5 integrere ChatGPT i Office-pakken med mer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Tapere vil trolig finnes innenfor media, advokatbransjen og l\u00e6ring\/undervisning.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l fra lytterene<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 54:02) Bj\u00f8rn Erik leser opp noen sp\u00f8rsm\u00e5l fra Twitter-f\u00f8lgere:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>@WaifuStonks: &#8220;Hvorfor skal vi kj\u00f8pe DNB Teknologi til 1 % i \u00e5rlig forvaltningskostnad n\u00e5r en kunne f\u00e5tt f\u00f8lgende 3 \u00e5rs annualiserte avkastning med \u00e5 kj\u00f8pe teknologiaksjer direkte? 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Om vi n\u00e5 ser permanent renteniv\u00e5 som er feks 3% h\u00f8yere, forventer dere multippelreduksjon (som Tangen antyder)?&#8221;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/feeds.acast.com\/public\/shows\/61653f7433ffb500132c0775\" rel=\"noopener\">Abonner via RSS<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/shows.acast.com\/61653f7433ffb500132c0775\" rel=\"noopener\">Abonner via Acast<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/no\/podcast\/pengepodden\/id1001063872\" rel=\"noopener\">Abonner via iTunes<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0mXSVGfhkKBxYTj638hjoj\" rel=\"noopener\">Spotify<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I denne #pengepodden-episoden har Bj\u00f8rn Erik f\u00e5tt bes\u00f8k av to av de fire forvalterne bak suksessfondet DNB Teknologi, Sverre Bergland (software og internett) og\u00a0Erling Thune (telecom og media). Anders Tandberg og\u00a0Erling Haugan Kise var ikke med i samtalen. 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