{"id":69900,"date":"2021-09-16T15:34:33","date_gmt":"2021-09-16T13:34:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/?p=69900"},"modified":"2026-03-11T17:12:15","modified_gmt":"2026-03-11T16:12:15","slug":"pengepodden-sjefokonom-duell-lave-renter-til-evig-tid","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/pengepodden-sjefokonom-duell-lave-renter-til-evig-tid\/","title":{"rendered":"#pengepodden &#8211; Sjef\u00f8konom-duell: Lave renter til evig tid?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"#pengepodden - Sjef\u00f8konom-duell: Lave renter til evig tid?\" width=\"770\" height=\"433\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/g42fDlO2yzE?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I denne #pengepodden-episoden har Bj\u00f8rn Erik bes\u00f8k av to erfarne sjef\u00f8konomer, Jan Ludvig Andreassen i Eika Gruppen og Kjetil Olsen i Nordea. Mens Jan mener at vi vil f\u00e5 lave (og negative) renter til evig tid, mener Kjetil at renten skal opp til mer normale niv\u00e5. H\u00f8r argumentene deres.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/1kGiGv39nvtIxzVZkLKolS\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/1kGiGv39nvtIxzVZkLKolS\" rel=\"noopener\"><iframe title='Embed Player' width='100%' height='188px' src='https:\/\/embed.acast.com\/61653f7433ffb500132c0775\/61653f807a87fd001246dab7' scrolling='no' frameborder='0' style='border:none;overflow:hidden;'><\/iframe><\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jan blir av en del sett p\u00e5 som en party pooper og en gledesdreper, siden han i mange \u00e5r har sp\u00e5dd lav \u00f8konomisk vekst, lave renter og h\u00f8y privat sparing. S\u00e5 langt har han f\u00e5tt mye rett i sine antakelser. H\u00f8r Jan begrunne sitt syn, som kan oppsummeres med at demografiske endringer og et stort spareoverskudd vil gi stadig lavere renter.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Kjetil er en mer \u201dkonvensjonell\u201d makro\u00f8konom, som mener at nullrente er en rente for en \u00f8konomi i krise, og at renten skal opp. Kjetil mener videre at renten har v\u00e6rt for lav under coronakrisen, og at den skal opp igjen \u2013 og at vi m\u00e5 forvente en h\u00f8yere rente de neste ti \u00e5rene enn de foreg\u00e5ende ti \u00e5rene.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"367\" src=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/09\/1200x430-1024x367.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-69905\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/09\/1200x430-1024x367.png 1024w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/09\/1200x430-620x222.png 620w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/09\/1200x430-150x54.png 150w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/09\/1200x430-768x275.png 768w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/09\/1200x430-370x133.png 370w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/09\/1200x430-270x97.png 270w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/09\/1200x430-570x204.png 570w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/09\/1200x430-740x265.png 740w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/09\/1200x430.png 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption>F.v: Jan Ludvig Andreassen, Eika Gruppen, Bj\u00f8rn Erik S\u00e6ttem, Nordnet, Kjetil Olsen, Nordea.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Konsekvensen av negative renter<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Negative renter er relativt nytt. 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