{"id":69540,"date":"2021-08-26T11:04:08","date_gmt":"2021-08-26T09:04:08","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/?p=69540"},"modified":"2026-03-11T17:20:22","modified_gmt":"2026-03-11T16:20:22","slug":"pengepodden-nordiske-smb-aksjer-er-en-sweet-spot","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/pengepodden-nordiske-smb-aksjer-er-en-sweet-spot\/","title":{"rendered":"#pengepodden &#8211; Nordiske SMB-aksjer er en \u201csweet spot\u201d"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>I denne #pengepodden-episoden har Bj\u00f8rn Erik bes\u00f8k av Hans-Marius Ludvigsen, forvalter i <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/market\/funds\/17363126-dnb-fund-nordic\">DNB Nordic Small Cap<\/a>. Tema er nordiske aksjer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hans-Marius (32) er en av Norges yngste fondsforvaltere. Bj\u00f8rn Erik sp\u00f8r om hvilke fortrinn han kan ha som ung forvalter vs en med mer erfaring, og hvordan han kompenserer for manglende erfaring.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p class=\"has-large-font-size\"><a href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/0HK4FSUVmkbKh8bGUOURlN\" data-type=\"URL\" data-id=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/episode\/0HK4FSUVmkbKh8bGUOURlN\" rel=\"noopener\">Lytt til episoden.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"536\" src=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/08\/347-1-1024x536.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-69568\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/08\/347-1-1024x536.png 1024w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/08\/347-1-620x324.png 620w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/08\/347-1-150x79.png 150w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/08\/347-1-768x402.png 768w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/08\/347-1-370x194.png 370w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/08\/347-1-270x141.png 270w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/08\/347-1-570x298.png 570w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/08\/347-1-740x387.png 740w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2021\/08\/347-1.png 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Norden som investeringsunivers<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 09:17) De nordiske b\u00f8rsene har gjort det bedre enn Verdensindeksen i mange \u00e5r &#8211; og nordiske SMB-aksjer (small cap-selskaper) har gjort det bedre enn store aksjer i Norden. Hans-Marius har noen hypoteser for hvorfor Norden har gitt god avkastning i lang tid. H\u00f8y verdiskapning per innbygger, h\u00f8y vekst og stabile politiske systemer nevnes.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Small cap mot large cap diskuteres. Bj\u00f8rn Erik understreker at small cap-fond normalt har h\u00f8yere risiko (h\u00f8yere svininger) enn large cap-fond i samme region.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Investeringsstrategien til fondet<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 14:50) DNB Nordic Small Cap har hatt en meget god start, med 100 % avkastning siden oppstart i november 2019. Siste 12 m\u00e5neder er fondet opp 60 prosent, noe som er milevis foran referanseindeksen. Bj\u00f8rn Erik presiserer at 1,5 \u00e5r er kort historikk og at det er for tidlig til \u00e5 si om resultatene skyldes flaks eller dyktighet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Strategien er fleksibel, forteller Hans-Marius. Han ser etter selskaper som har en sterk markedsposisjon og som vokser raskt. <a href=\"https:\/\/www.morningstar.no\/no\/funds\/snapshot\/snapshot.aspx?id=F000014HEP&amp;tab=3\" rel=\"noopener\">Faktorprofilen til Morningstar<\/a> viser small cap \u2013 h\u00f8y vekst \u2013 momentum \u2013 h\u00f8y kvalitet \u2013 h\u00f8y volatilitet, og det stemmer godt, bekrefter Hans-Marius.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Han legger til at han benytter teknisk analyse til \u00e5 finne aksjer som er i en stigende trend.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Portef\u00f8ljen til DNB Nordic Small Cap best\u00e5r av rundt 120 aksjer, noe som er mer enn de fleste andre nordiske aksjefond. Dette skyldes dels at fondet er et small cap-fond, som har flere aksjer av diversifiseringshensyn. Bj\u00f8rn Erik sp\u00f8r om det er vanskelig \u00e5 f\u00f8lge med p\u00e5 over 100 selskaper.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hvordan vil fondet st\u00e5 seg mot indeksen i neste nedtur, sp\u00f8r Bj\u00f8rn Erik. Hans-Marius forteller at fondet falt mindre enn indeksen under corona-smellen vinteren 2020, og at fondet hans fremdeles er ganske lite, og dermed er det lett \u00e5 bevege seg inn og ut av aksjer raskt.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hans-Marius g\u00e5r gjennom de 5 st\u00f8rste posisjonene i fondet: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/market\/stocks\/16623696-embracer-group-b\">Embracer<\/a> (svensk video gaming selskap), <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/market\/stocks\/16321359-humble-group\">Humble<\/a> (svensk foodtech selskap), <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/market\/stocks\/17516309-spinnova\">Spinnova<\/a> (finsk high tech-tekstil-selskap), <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/market\/stocks\/17371187-link-mobility-group\">Link Mobility Group<\/a> (norsk mobilmeldings-selskap) og <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/market\/stocks\/16695756-instalco\">Instalco<\/a> (svensk installasjonsselskap).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bj\u00f8rn Erik sp\u00f8r hvilken sektor i Norden han har minst tro p\u00e5 de neste 1-3 \u00e5rene. Hans-Marius svarer bank-sektoren, noe som overasker Bj\u00f8rn Erik. H\u00f8r begrunnelsen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Hans-Marius forteller hvilke forvaltere i DNB han sparrer mest med. Han har blant annet tett dialog med \u00d8yvind Fjell, som leder nordiske aksjer og forvalter DNB Gr\u00f8nt Norden.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bj\u00f8rn Erik lurer p\u00e5 hvilke exit-strategier Hans-Marius har.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Som spare\u00f8konom er Bj\u00f8rn Erik opptatt av kostnader i fondene. Han misliker at DNB Nordic Small Cap kun har \u00e9n andelsklasse, og at det er en klasse med suksesshonorar &#8211; p\u00e5 20 %. Netto forvaltningskostnad er 0,93 %. Plattformavgiften i Nordnet (og DNB og Sbanken) er p\u00e5 inntil 0,3 %. Total kostnad er dermed 1,23 %, pluss evt suksesshonorar. Bj\u00f8rn Erik synes at det faste honoraret i fond med suksesshonorar b\u00f8r ligge vesentlig under gjennomsnittet for fond uten suksesshonorar, og at suksesshonoraret b\u00f8r v\u00e6re maks 10 %.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>PS: Etter sendingen fikk Bj\u00f8rn Erik en melding fra DNB om at suksesshonoraret i dette fondet skal reduseres fra 20 til 10 %.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Boligkj\u00f8p og Twitter<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 48:31) Avslutningsvis blir det litt prat om privat boligkj\u00f8p samt hvorfor Hans Marius ikke er aktiv p\u00e5 Twitter.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>H\u00f8r forrige episode av #pengepodden:<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/pengepodden-slutt-pa-lange-perioder-med-borsfall\/\">Slutt p\u00e5 lange perioder med b\u00f8rsfall.<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/pengepodden\" target=\"_blank\">Abonner via RSS<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/no\/podcast\/pengepodden\/id1001063872\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Abonner via iTunes<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0mXSVGfhkKBxYTj638hjoj\" target=\"_blank\">Spotify<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I denne #pengepodden-episoden har Bj\u00f8rn Erik bes\u00f8k av Hans-Marius Ludvigsen, forvalter i DNB Nordic Small Cap. Tema er nordiske aksjer. Hans-Marius (32) er en av Norges yngste fondsforvaltere. Bj\u00f8rn Erik sp\u00f8r om hvilke fortrinn han kan ha som ung forvalter vs en med mer erfaring, og hvordan han kompenserer for manglende erfaring. Lytt til episoden. 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