{"id":53463,"date":"2020-04-30T13:00:42","date_gmt":"2020-04-30T11:00:42","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/?p=53463"},"modified":"2026-03-11T17:12:33","modified_gmt":"2026-03-11T16:12:33","slug":"pengepodden-peter-warren-slik-sikrer-du-portefoljen","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/pengepodden-peter-warren-slik-sikrer-du-portefoljen\/","title":{"rendered":"#pengepodden &#8211; Peter Warren &#8211; Slik sikrer du portef\u00f8ljen"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I denne episoden av #pengepodden har v\u00e5r spare\u00f8konom Bj\u00f8rn Erik bes\u00f8k av finansnestor og tidligere hedgefondforvalter Peter Warren. I episoden f\u00e5r du h\u00f8re mer om sikringsstrategier, diversifisering og alternative investeringer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<iframe title='Embed Player' width='100%' height='188px' src='https:\/\/embed.acast.com\/61653f7433ffb500132c0775\/61653f807a87fd001246db29' scrolling='no' frameborder='0' style='border:none;overflow:hidden;'><\/iframe>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"628\" src=\"https:\/\/mk0nordnetblogrxs7tu.kinstacdn.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2020\/04\/1200x628-Peter-Warren.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-53464\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2020\/04\/1200x628-Peter-Warren.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2020\/04\/1200x628-Peter-Warren-768x401.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2020\/04\/1200x628-Peter-Warren-370x194.jpg 370w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2020\/04\/1200x628-Peter-Warren-270x141.jpg 270w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2020\/04\/1200x628-Peter-Warren-570x298.jpg 570w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2020\/04\/1200x628-Peter-Warren-740x387.jpg 740w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2020\/04\/1200x628-Peter-Warren-1320x690.jpg 1320w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">F.v. Spare\u00f8konom, Bj\u00f8rn Erik S\u00e6ttem &amp; Investor, Peter Warren<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"solid-smell-for-bjorn-eriks-fondsportefolje-i-q1\">Solid smell for Bj\u00f8rn Eriks fondsportef\u00f8lje i Q1<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 03:05) Bj\u00f8rn Erik forteller om sin fondsportef\u00f8lje har falt mer enn verdensindeksen s\u00e5 langt i \u00e5r. Dette er en portef\u00f8lje med hovedvekt p\u00e5 aksjefond, men ogs\u00e5 et risikoparitetsfond og et hedgefond.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Peter kommenterer at fellesnevneren i denne portef\u00f8ljen er at alle fondene er eksponert mot et generelt fall i aksjemarkedet. \u00d8nsker man diversifisering \/ beskyttelse mot dette, er man tvunget til \u00e5 konstruere portef\u00f8ljen annerledes. Skal man oppn\u00e5 reell diversifisering m\u00e5 kildene til avkastning v\u00e6re forskjellig i forhold til &#8211; eller v\u00e6re uavhengig av &#8211; det man allerede sitter med.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"investeringer-som-gir-reell-diversifisering\">Investeringer som gir reell diversifisering<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 15:36) Bj\u00f8rn Erik sp\u00f8r hvilke investeringer, i tillegg til statsobligasjoner og gull, som har lav eller negativ korrelasjon med aksjemarkedet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Peter trekker frem aksjer i b\u00f8rsnoterte High Frequency traders-selskaper som Flow Traders og Virtu Financial (\u00ab<a href=\"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/market\/stocks\/16392455-virtu-financial-class\">VIRT<\/a>\u00bb), som har steget mye i \u00e5r, og som er motsyklisk.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>En eksponering mot lange amerikanske statsobligasjoner kan du f\u00e5 ved \u00e5 for eksempel kj\u00f8pe ETFen \u00abTLT &#8211; iShares 20+ Year Treasury Bond ETF\u00bb (merk at denne m\u00e5 handles via meglerbordet).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Gull som kortsiktig og langsiktig investering blir ogs\u00e5 diskutert.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bj\u00f8rn Erik sp\u00f8r om Peter mener at en aktiv hobbyinvestor som sparer langsiktig til pensjon skal sitte med slike long volatilitets-investeringer som en permanent del portef\u00f8ljen \u2013 eller om disse investeringene kun er egnet som et taktisk veddem\u00e5l n\u00e5r b\u00f8rsene er h\u00f8yt priset \u2013 eller volatiliteten tar seg opp? H\u00f8r hva Peter svarer.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Sjekk ut Peter Warren sin egen podcast: <a href=\"https:\/\/podcasts.apple.com\/us\/podcast\/tid-er-penger-en-podcast-med-peter-warren\/id1229260798\" rel=\"noopener\">Tid er penger<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"hvorfor-gjor-ikke-oljefondet-og-pensjonsleverandorene-som-peter-anbefaler\">Hvorfor gj\u00f8r ikke oljefondet og pensjonsleverand\u00f8rene som Peter anbefaler?<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 35:28) Hvis det er s\u00e5 smart \u00e5 inkludere investeringer som har lav eller negativ korrelasjon med aksjemarkedet i en langsiktig pensjonsportef\u00f8lje \u2013 hvorfor har ikke oljefondet en slik sikringsstrategi &#8211; eller pensjonsleverand\u00f8rene, sp\u00f8r Bj\u00f8rn Erik.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Peter svarer at en del amerikanske pensjonsfond og universitetsfond bruker sikringsinstrumenter, men ikke norske.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"de-langsiktige-konsekvensene-av-massiv-pengetrykking\">De langsiktige konsekvensene av massiv pengetrykking<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 51:10) Peter er bekymret for de langsiktige effektene av kvantitative lettelser. Aksjemarkedene hadde falt langt mer om ikke sentralbankene hadde gjort st\u00f8ttekj\u00f8p av verdipapirer, sier han. Det er en disconnect mellom aksjemarkedets utvikling og real\u00f8konomien.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bj\u00f8rn Erik uttaler at hvis sentralbankenes ambisjon har blitt \u00e5 st\u00f8tte aksjemarkedet i tykt og tynt, s\u00e5 dempes risikoen ved \u00e5 eie aksjer. Da skal i s\u00e5 fall risikopremiene og forventet avkastning ned. Aksjer vil i s\u00e5 fall bli mer lik obligasjoner som aktivaklasse. 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