{"id":45059,"date":"2019-08-08T14:49:33","date_gmt":"2019-08-08T12:49:33","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/?p=45059"},"modified":"2026-03-11T17:41:10","modified_gmt":"2026-03-11T16:41:10","slug":"pengepodden-high-yield-rentefond-et-alternativ-til-aksjefond","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/pengepodden-high-yield-rentefond-et-alternativ-til-aksjefond\/","title":{"rendered":"#pengepodden &#8211; High yield rentefond &#8211; et alternativ til aksjefond?"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-soundcloud wp-block-embed-soundcloud wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"240: High yield rentefond - et alternativ til aksjefond? by #pengepodden\" width=\"770\" height=\"400\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"no\" src=\"https:\/\/w.soundcloud.com\/player\/?visual=true&#038;url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F662903210&#038;show_artwork=true&#038;maxwidth=770&#038;maxheight=1000&#038;dnt=1\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I denne episoden av #pengepodden f\u00e5r vi l\u00e6re om high yield-rentefond og rentemarkedet. Spare\u00f8konom Bj\u00f8rn Erik er tilbake fra ferie, og han og Mads har f\u00e5tt bes\u00f8k av Erlend L\u00f8demel, renteforvalter i Fondsfinans. I innledningen forteller Erlend litt om forskjellen p\u00e5 tradisjonelle, lavrisiko, rentefond og mer risikable high yield-rentefond. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bj\u00f8rn Erik forteller at Nordnet merker \u00f8kende interesse for slike high yield-fond. Erlend forklarer den \u00f8kte interessen med at det lave renteniv\u00e5et gj\u00f8r high yield fond mer attraktive, og at en del investorer frykter b\u00f8rsfall, og derfor vekter seg ned i aksjefond og opp i high yield-fond.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"536\" src=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/08\/Erlend-L\u00f8demel-1200x628-sosiale-medier-1024x536.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-45060\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/08\/Erlend-L\u00f8demel-1200x628-sosiale-medier-1024x536.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/08\/Erlend-L\u00f8demel-1200x628-sosiale-medier-150x79.jpg 150w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/08\/Erlend-L\u00f8demel-1200x628-sosiale-medier-620x324.jpg 620w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/08\/Erlend-L\u00f8demel-1200x628-sosiale-medier-768x402.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/08\/Erlend-L\u00f8demel-1200x628-sosiale-medier-370x194.jpg 370w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/08\/Erlend-L\u00f8demel-1200x628-sosiale-medier-270x141.jpg 270w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/08\/Erlend-L\u00f8demel-1200x628-sosiale-medier-570x298.jpg 570w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/08\/Erlend-L\u00f8demel-1200x628-sosiale-medier-740x387.jpg 740w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/08\/Erlend-L\u00f8demel-1200x628-sosiale-medier.jpg 1200w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Mads Johannesen, Erlend L\u00f8demel, Bj\u00f8rn Erik S\u00e6ttem\n<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"fondsfinans-kreditt-og-fondsfinans-high-yield\">Fondsfinans Kreditt og Fondsfinans High Yield<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 13:49) Erlend forvalter <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/market\/funds\/16801472-fondsfinans-kreditt\">Fondsfinans Kreditt<\/a> og <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/market\/funds\/17006847-fondsfinans-high-yield\">Fondsfinans High Yield<\/a>. F\u00f8rstnevnte har 4 av 5 stjerner i Morningstar, mens sistnevnte har 3 stjerner. Fondsfinans High Yield har noe h\u00f8yere risiko enn Kreditt.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Siste \u00e5r og siste 3 \u00e5r ligger Erlends to fond som nr 1 og 3\nblant alle 16 norske high yield fond. P\u00e5 5 \u00e5r er det noe svakere, if\u00f8lge\nMorningstar. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Avkastningen siste \u00e5ret ligger p\u00e5 litt over 6 % for\nFondsfinans Kreditt og ca 7 % for Fondsfinans High Yield. Siste 3 \u00e5r: hhv 9 og\n11 %. Siste 5 \u00e5r: hhv 4 og 1 %. Standardavviket for de to fondene er omtrent\nsom for snittet blant norske high yield-fond, 2-3 %. Erlend forklarer de gode\nresultatene siste tre \u00e5r, og g\u00e5r inn p\u00e5 hvorfor 2014 og 2015 var svake \u00e5r. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>De st\u00f8rste postene i fondene diskuteres, og du f\u00e5r h\u00f8re mer om rentedurasjon og kredittdurasjon.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Fallh\u00f8yden \/ risikoen i high yield-fond diskueres ogs\u00e5, hvor oljenedturen i 2014-15 f\u00f8rte til at Fondsfinans High Yield falt med 20-30 prosent.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"forventet-avkastning-og-risiko-i-high-yield-fond\">Forventet avkastning og risiko i high yield-fond<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 32:44) Langsiktig forventet avkastning og risiko for high yield fond ligger mellom vanlige rentefond og aksjefond, forteller Bj\u00f8rn Erik. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Han viser til en unders\u00f8kelse fra USA som bekrefter dette: Siden 1980 har amerikanske aksjer gitt ca 6 % meravkastning over risikofri rente, amerikanske high yield-obligasjoner 4 % meravkastning og amerikanske h\u00f8ykvalitetsobligasjoner (investment grade) har gitt 2 % meravkastning. I denne perioden har standardavviket i high yield-obligasjoner v\u00e6rt 11 %, mot 17 % i aksjer. Litt forenklet kan man si at risikojustert avkastning for aksjer og h\u00f8yrenteobligasjoner har v\u00e6rt noenlunde lik.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Erlend viser til en annen <a href=\"https:\/\/www.opiniopro.com\/2017\/09\/barclays\/high-yield-high-performance\/\" rel=\"noopener\">unders\u00f8kelse fra Barclays<\/a>, som viser enda bedre tall for high yield-obligasjoner. Sharpe ratio, som er et m\u00e5ltall for risikojustert avkastning, var bedre for high yield-fond enn for aksjefond i perioden 1983 til 2017. I Europa har faktisk faktisk high yield-obligasjoner gitt bedre avkasting til en lavere risiko enn aksjer i 35 \u00e5rs-perioden. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Gutta diskuterer om high yield rentefond kan sees p\u00e5 som et\nalternativ til aksjefond \u2013 for de som \u00f8nsker noe lavere risiko, men likevel en\nrelativt h\u00f8y forventet avkastning. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>En strategi om \u00e5 geare high yield fond for \u00e5 f\u00e5 aksjerisiko og en god risikojustert avkastning diskuteres ogs\u00e5. Mads nevner <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Ray_Dalio\" rel=\"noopener\">Ray Dalio<\/a> og Bridgewater, som har gjort stor suksess med en slik risikoparitetsstrategi. Bj\u00f8rn Erik nevner <a href=\"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/no\/tjenester\/nordnet-smarte-portefoljer\">Nordnet Smarte Portef\u00f8ljer<\/a>, som ogs\u00e5 gearer renteinvesteringene for \u00e5 f\u00e5 en bedre balanse mellom aksjerisiko og renterisiko. Disse multi asset-fondene har gjort det godt siden oppstarten i h\u00f8st.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\" id=\"rentemarkedet-fremover-lave-renter-forer-til-storre-forskjeller\">Rentemarkedet fremover &amp; lave renter f\u00f8rer til st\u00f8rre forskjeller<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 47:43) Mads mener Norges Bank ikke b\u00f8r sette opp renten i september, som sentralbanken har varslet. H\u00f8r Erlends synspunkter p\u00e5 renteutviklingen fremover. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>De rekordlave rentene og den massive pengetrykkingen fra\nsentralbankene er et gedigent eksperiment med ukjent utfall, mener Bj\u00f8rn Erik.\nHan mener at en konsekvens er st\u00f8rre sosiale forskjeller, hvor de rike blir\nrikere og de fattige ikke henger med i velstandsutviklingen. Erlend er ogs\u00e5\nbekymret for de langsiktige effektene av en slik pengepolitikk. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Til slutt r\u00f8per Erlend hvor han har plassert sine sparepenger.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.fondsfinans.no\/markedsrapport-juli-2019\" rel=\"noopener\">Les Fondsfinans sin siste m\u00e5nedsrapport (for juli) her<\/a>. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>H\u00f8r forrige episode av #pengepodden: <a href=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/pengepodden-stig-myrseth-om-markedet-fremover\/?autoplay=1\" rel=\"noopener\">Stig Myrseth om markedet fremover<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/pengepodden\" target=\"_blank\">Abonner via RSS<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/pengepodden\" target=\"_blank\">F\u00f8lg p\u00e5 SoundCloud<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/no\/podcast\/pengepodden\/id1001063872\" target=\"_blank\">Abonner via iTunes<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0mXSVGfhkKBxYTj638hjoj\" target=\"_blank\">Spotify<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I denne episoden av #pengepodden f\u00e5r vi l\u00e6re om high yield-rentefond og rentemarkedet. Spare\u00f8konom Bj\u00f8rn Erik er tilbake fra ferie, og han og Mads har f\u00e5tt bes\u00f8k av Erlend L\u00f8demel, renteforvalter i Fondsfinans. I innledningen forteller Erlend litt om forskjellen p\u00e5 tradisjonelle, lavrisiko, rentefond og mer risikable high yield-rentefond. 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