{"id":41932,"date":"2019-04-18T10:30:37","date_gmt":"2019-04-18T08:30:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/?p=41932"},"modified":"2026-03-11T17:57:52","modified_gmt":"2026-03-11T16:57:52","slug":"pengepodden-martin-skancke-oljefondet-fra-100-til-9000-milliarder","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.nordnet.no\/blogg\/pengepodden-martin-skancke-oljefondet-fra-100-til-9000-milliarder\/","title":{"rendered":"#pengepodden &#8211; Martin Skancke: Oljefondet fra 100 til 9000 milliarder"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed-soundcloud wp-block-embed is-type-rich is-provider-soundcloud wp-embed-aspect-4-3 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" width=\"770\" height=\"400\" scrolling=\"no\" frameborder=\"no\" src=\"https:\/\/w.soundcloud.com\/player\/?visual=true&#038;url=https%3A%2F%2Fapi.soundcloud.com%2Ftracks%2F606828807&#038;show_artwork=true&#038;maxwidth=770&#038;maxheight=1000&#038;dnt=1\"><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>I denne episoden av #pengepodden har vi bes\u00f8k av Martin Skancke, en av de sentrale personene i oppbyggingen av oljefondet. P\u00e5 plass i studio er ogs\u00e5 spare\u00f8konom Bj\u00f8rn Erik og investerings\u00f8konom Mads. I episoden f\u00e5r du h\u00f8re mer om oljefondets spennende historie \u2013 og hva norske sparere kan l\u00e6re av oljefondets strategi. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Martin Skancke jobbet som avdelingsdirekt\u00f8r i\nFinansdepartementets avdeling for formuesforvaltning fra 1994 til 2011, med en\npause i midten. Finansdepartementet fungerer i praksis som \u00abeier\u00bb av\noljefondet, p\u00e5 vegne av Stortinget og det norske folk. Norges Bank Investment\nManagement forvalter som kjent fondet. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00abMannen som passet p\u00e5 oljefondet\u00bb og \u00abDen egentlige sjefen for oljefondet\u00bb er beskrivelser av Martin Skancke som brukes i boken <a href=\"https:\/\/www.haugenbok.no\/Generell-litteratur\/Debatt-samfunn\/Usannsynlig-rik\/I9788248916604\" rel=\"noopener\">\u00abUsannsynlig rik\u00bb<\/a> av Asle Skredderberget, forteller Bj\u00f8rn Erik.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1200\" height=\"628\" src=\"https:\/\/mk0nordnetblogorh1w4.kinstacdn.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/04\/Martin-Skancke-Bj\u00f8rn-Erik-og-Mads.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41947\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/04\/Martin-Skancke-Bj\u00f8rn-Erik-og-Mads.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/04\/Martin-Skancke-Bj\u00f8rn-Erik-og-Mads-768x401.jpg 768w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/04\/Martin-Skancke-Bj\u00f8rn-Erik-og-Mads-370x194.jpg 370w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/04\/Martin-Skancke-Bj\u00f8rn-Erik-og-Mads-270x141.jpg 270w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/04\/Martin-Skancke-Bj\u00f8rn-Erik-og-Mads-570x298.jpg 570w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/04\/Martin-Skancke-Bj\u00f8rn-Erik-og-Mads-740x387.jpg 740w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1200px) 100vw, 1200px\" \/><figcaption>Martin Skancke, Bj\u00f8rn Erik S\u00e6ttem, Mads Johannesen<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">L\u00e6rdommer fra finanskrisen<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 15:03) Forholdet mellom Finansdepartementet og oljefondet diskuteres. Bj\u00f8rn Erik lurer p\u00e5 om Martin er enig i en beskrivelse av Finansdepartementet som Ludvig i Fl\u00e5klypa \u2013 f\u00f8dt pessimist \u2013 med favorittuttrykket \u00abDet er fali det!\u00bb. H\u00f8r hva Martin svarer til dette. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Du f\u00e5r ogs\u00e5 h\u00f8re Martin sine tanker om finanskrisen, og\noljefondets store tap, og senere store gevinster.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Bj\u00f8rn Erik sp\u00f8r hvordan Martin opplevde stemningen da\nkursene raste som verst. I 2008 endte aksjeavkastningen i fondet p\u00e5 dramatiske\nminus 40 prosent. Rentedelen ga omtrent 0 i avkastning, noe som bidro til at\ntotalverdiene i fondet falt med 23 prosent, eller 633 milliarder kroner.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>P\u00e5 grunn av regelen om rebalansering, samt at det i 2007 ble\nvedtatt at aksjeandelen skulle \u00f8kes fra 40 til 60 prosent, tok Norge i 2008\/09\net stort jafs av verdens aksjemarkeder. I mars 2009 snudde markedet, og fondet\ntjente tilbake mye av det de tapte \u00e5ret f\u00f8r. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Martin lister opp to l\u00e6rdommer av finanskrisen: 1. Det er\nviktig \u00e5 ha en grundig prosess med forankring av strategien blant eierne, slik\nat eierne er sikre p\u00e5 at man t\u00e5ler s\u00e5 mye risiko i d\u00e5rlige tider som man tar i\ngode tider. 2. Det er viktig \u00e5 holde seg til strategien \u2013 for eksempel \u00e5 holde\nseg til en fast aksjeandel i opp- og nedgangstider. Da tvinges man til \u00e5 kj\u00f8pe\naksjer n\u00e5r kursene faller, og motsatt. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Martin forteller at det var aldri snakk om \u00e5 kaste kortene,\nog selge aksjer da det s\u00e5 som m\u00f8rkest ut. Men det var en del andre \u00absovereign\nwealth funds\u00bb, blant annet i Midt \u00d8sten, som gjorde dette, fordi eierne ikke var\ninnforst\u00e5tt med risikoen.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">H\u00f8y aksjeandel er alfa og omega<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 39:04) Gutta i studio er enige om at valg av aksjeandel er den viktigste beslutningen n\u00e5r det kommer til langsiktig sparing. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Martin var med p\u00e5 beslutningen om \u00e5 trappe opp aksjeandelen\ni oljefondet fra 0 til 40 og senere til 60 prosent, men ikke p\u00e5 den siste fra\n60 til 70 prosent. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Martin skulle gjerne sett en aksjeandel p\u00e5 mer enn 70\nprosent i oljefondet, og legger til: \u00abHva i all verden skal begrunnelsen v\u00e6re\nfor \u00e5 ha s\u00e5 mye obligasjoner \u2013 n\u00e5r tidshorisonten er s\u00e5 lang?\u00bb Han argumenterer\nmed at selv om aksjeverdiene svinger mye, er inntektene (utbyttene) fra aksjene\nforbausende stabile &#8211; og det er denne kontantstr\u00f8mmen vi skal leve av.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">Handlingsregelen og dyktige politikere<\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(fra 50:07) I 2017 nedjusterte regjeringen forventningen til oljefondets realavkastning fra 4 til 3 prosent \u2013 og dermed ogs\u00e5 handlingsregelen for oljepengebruken tilsvarende. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Men 3 prosent av 9000 milliarder er langt mer enn 4 prosent\nav fondets st\u00f8rrelse for noe n\u00e5r siden, sier Bj\u00f8rn Erik. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Martin er ikke med p\u00e5 at oljepengebruken n\u00e5 er altfor h\u00f8y.\n\u00abVi har ikke s\u00e5 mye glede av oljefondet om vi aldri skal bruke pengene\u00bb sier\nhan. Men man mener at politikerne blir tvunget til \u00e5 prioritere hardere\nfremover. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>\u00abFor 50 \u00e5r siden lignet Norge mye p\u00e5 Sverige og Danmark, men\nvar litt fattigere. N\u00e5 ligner vi fortsatt mye p\u00e5 Sverige og Danmark, men er\nlitt rikere.\u00bb<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading\">B\u00e6rekraftige investeringer og klimarisiko <\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>(01:01:48) Martin har i dag flere styreverv. Blant annet er han styreleder i PRI, som forvalter FNs prinsipper for ansvarlige investeringer. Har er ogs\u00e5 leder for Klimarisikoutvalget i Norge \u2013 som f\u00f8r jul la frem sin rapport. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Han forteller om b\u00e6rekraftsarbeid globalt og omstillingen til et lavutslippssamfunn. Finansn\u00e6ringen har en sentral posisjon i \u00e5 bestemme hvilke type bedrifter som skal f\u00e5 l\u00e5n og egenkapital i fremtiden, sier han.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\"><figure class=\"aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"605\" height=\"465\" src=\"https:\/\/mk0nordnetblogorh1w4.kinstacdn.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/04\/Investeringsstragien-.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-41945\" srcset=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/04\/Investeringsstragien-.jpg 605w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/04\/Investeringsstragien--150x115.jpg 150w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/04\/Investeringsstragien--370x284.jpg 370w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/04\/Investeringsstragien--270x208.jpg 270w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/04\/Investeringsstragien--570x438.jpg 570w, https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/2\/2019\/04\/Investeringsstragien--80x60.jpg 80w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 605px) 100vw, 605px\" \/><figcaption>Investeringsstrategi og forvaltningskapital i oljefondet (1996 &#8211; 2016)<\/figcaption><\/figure><\/div>\n\n\n\n<p>H\u00f8r forrige episode av #pengepodden: <a href=\"https:\/\/blogg.nordnet.no\/pengepodden-olav-chen-lave-renter-skaper-okte-klasseskiller\/?autoplay=1\" rel=\"noopener\">Olav Chen &#8211; Lave renter skaper \u00f8kte klasseskiller<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"http:\/\/feeds.feedburner.com\/pengepodden\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Abonner via RSS<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/soundcloud.com\/pengepodden\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">F\u00f8lg p\u00e5 SoundCloud<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/itunes.apple.com\/no\/podcast\/pengepodden\/id1001063872\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noreferrer noopener\">Abonner via iTunes<\/a><\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a rel=\"noreferrer noopener\" href=\"https:\/\/open.spotify.com\/show\/0mXSVGfhkKBxYTj638hjoj\" target=\"_blank\">Spotify<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I denne episoden av #pengepodden har vi bes\u00f8k av Martin Skancke, en av de sentrale personene i oppbyggingen av oljefondet. 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